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共20页&&到第松下发布LX系列小DC的新品 LX10 庆祝Lumix系列推出15周年_玩科技
为了庆祝 Lumix 系列推出 15 周年，Panasonic 今天发表了 LX 系列小 DC 的新品 LX10。和两年前发表的&LX100&不同，这次 Pana 舍弃了 m4/3 尺寸的感光器，回归到了 1 吋 20.1MP 的感光元件，所以它更像是 LX7 的后继机种，与&Sony RX100 IV&和Canon G7X II&打对台 。和 LX100 相比，虽然一样它保有了 24-75mm、f/1.4-2.8 镜头，但体型要更小巧一些。此外 ，全金属的机身带来了极佳的质感，做为 Pana 的相机，自然 4K 摄影相关的功能也是必不可少的。 LX10 在美国定价 US$699，我们这里多少就有待 Panasonic 公布啰。
除了 LX10 之外，Panasonic 还同时发表了类单眼炮筒 FZ2500，这是台同样采用 20MP 的 1 吋感光元件，但装备了 20~480mm 的 24x 巨炮。它特别的地方在于变焦完全在镜筒内进行，所以开机的时候会先伸长，然后无论广角还是望远都不会动了。FZ2500 可以同样可以拍摄 4K 视频，并且可以在 4,096 x 2,160 和 3,840 x 2,160 两种 4K 之间选择呢。FZ2500 的定价是比 LX100 要贵得多的 US$1,200，这价格买台普通的 DSLR 也差不多啰。
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The Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX10 (LX15 in some markets) is a 20MP large-sensor compact with a bright (F1.4-2.8), 24-72mm equivalent zoom lens. Which is to say, it's a very capable pocket camera. And, being a Panasonic, it has video specs and clever video-based features to back up its stills capabilities.
Panasonic's LX cameras have always had the enthusiast in mind, built around larger-than-average sensors with short but bright lenses and as many direct controls as can sensibly be fitted onto a pocketable camera body. They helped reinvigorate the enthusiast compact sector and prompted a series of imitators before the much larger sensor of Sony's RX100 rendered them irrelevant.
Key specifications
20MP 1"-type CMOS sensor
24-72mm equivalent F1.4-2.8 zoom
7 fps continuous shooting with autofocus
4K video at up to 30p
5-axis, digital and optical stabilization in 1080 video
4K Photo mode
Post Focus and Focus Stacking modes
The LX10 is Panasonic's first direct response to the big-sensored Sonys. The company has already built an excellent series of compacts that address every other niche you can think of: the long zoom stills/video FZ1000 and FZ2500, a large sensor ZS100 version of their well respected travel zoom series, and a larger sensor photographer's camera, the LX100. But the LX10 is a head-to-head competitor for Sony's pocket wonders.
The approach is a little different: unlike the RX100 III and IV, the LX10 doesn't have a viewfinder. Instead, it offers a touchscreen interface and a screen that can be tilted upwards. In many respects, the LX10 is a logical post-1" successor to the last of the smaller sensor models: .
The camera also offers Panasonic's 4K Photo mode, which offers a series of ways of specifying when the camera should capture a video clip from which stills can then be extracted. It also has Panasonic's Post Focus mode that captures a video clip of the camera racking focus, so you can choose to grab the frame with optimal focus, after the fact.
Compared with its peers
The LX10 means there are now three brands building small cameras with 1"-type sensors and short, bright zooms (and Nikon promising a comparable 'DL' model at some point). We've also included the LX10's big brother, the LX100 in this comparison, just to show what you get if you have room to carry its additional size.
PanasonicLX10
Sony DSC-RX100 IV
Canon G7X Mark II
PanasonicLX100
Sensor area
Lens range (equiv)
Aperture range
Control dials
Aperture ringCommand dialLens ring (stepless)
Lens ring (stepless)Four-way/dial
Lens ring(stepped/stepless)Exposure CompFour-way/dial
Aperture ringShutter dialExposure CompLens ring (stepless)Four-way/dial
Viewfinder
&2.36M-dot
2.76M-dot equiv.*
Rear screen
Tilt upTouchscreen
Tilt up/down
Tilt up/downTouchscreen
Video capability
4K/30p1080/60p
Built-in ND Filter
Yes (Auto for stills)
Yes(Auto for stills)
Built-in pop-up (bounceable)
Built-in pop-up(bounceable)
Built-in pop-up(bounceable)
Clip-on hotshoe flash
Battery life (CIPA)
280(230 with EVF)
300(270 with EVF)
Dimensionsmm (in)
105 x 61 x 42(4.1 x 2.4 x 1.7)
102 x 58 x 41(4.0 x 2.3 x 1.6)
106 x 61 x 42(4.2 x 2.4 x 1.7)
115 x 66 x 55(4.5 x 2.6 x 2.2)
*The LX100 uses a field-sequential display that updates red, green and blue information in sequence and, as such, does not require three dots to make up each three-color 'pixel.'**p is a dedicated high speed video mode, with limited control.
Equivalent apertures
The chart below breaks down the equivalent aperture for each camera, as you work your way through the zoom range. Our article
explains the concept of equivalence, but at a high level all you need to know is that the lower the line is on the graph below, the blurrier the backgrounds you'll be able to get and, typically, the better the overall low-light performance.
Just as the specs suggest, the LX10's lens is broadly similar to that of the Sony RX100 III and IV. It's 2/3EV brighter at first but by 30mm equivalent they're both already down to F2.8 (F7.6 equiv). So although it should offer a similar performance to its big brother, the LX100, at wide angle, the bigger camera maintains an advantage across the rest of its zoom range.
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Most popular (15)Editors' picks (0)DPR staff (14)Oldest first I can only get 100fps in high speed video mode, I don't know how you get 120fps.Like0 is that something to do with your region settings, 50hz vs 60hz ?Like0 I bought this camera, hoping to make some hi-res pictures. After a couple of days, I am close to hurling it into a river as every picture seems to suck. I'll probably get a lot of flac for not knowing what I'm doing, but the lens deformation is massive. Every picture looks like it was made with some sort of gimmick wide eye lens you put on a phone.I tried everything to prevent this but I just can't find it and i suppose this is just the way the lens is? Hope I can sell it when I get back home.Like0 Recommended Card Size & Rating for the LX10 to not limit camera?Like0 Flash sync speed ? Flash recycle time ? Hopefully somebody knows.Like0 The Canon G9X MARK II is clearly the winner at the moment if SMALLEST SIZE/BEST POSSIBLE IQ are the *sole* parameters.(Those aren't the sole parameters for me, however)But ask me again tomorrow, by all means!Like1 Panasonic is a bit sharper but only when you view it at 100%Like0 Whether G9X II gives the best possible IQ depends on where in the lens range you are. It's significantly slower at the long end of the zoom, which will have a significant impact on IQ in situations where you're light limited.
I've added it to the graph on page 1, to demonstrate this.
Like2 Any one has compared LX 10 with ZS 100?Like0 the ZS100/TZ100 is known as a &Travelzoom& camera (Focal length 25-250mm equivalent). I hold a few predecessors namely the TZ3, TZ7, TZ10 and the TZ61 and from my ecperience they all take very good pictures in daylight. But, when taking pictures in twilight or at night then they are not very good at all. With the new 1& sensor of the ZS100 this might now have inproofed, the aperture is F2.8-5.9. The built in electronic viewfinder is definately a great benefit especially in bright sunshine. This is the reason, why I want to buy the LX/10/LX15. The Focal length is only 24-7 mm, however the aperture is F1.4-2.8!
This model offers 1& sensor too allowing for very good pictures in dark rooms or where flashphotography is forbidden.Like0 This is a lot better from Panasonic in terms of size. The LX-100 wasn't really a good continuation from the LX3, 5, 7 in terms of size or usage. Unfortunately it does seem to drop off a steep curve beyond wide open in terms of low light performance.Like1 Yes, the LX100 houses a m4/3 sensor - but doesn't use the whole sensor.
Therefore - the size difference between LX100 and say, RX100 series 1& sensor really isn't that great.
But -the LX100 did have a great control layout.Like1 Can the display be dimmed or turned off?
I'm wondering about using this for concerts.Like0 I use my old Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX7 with the Panasonic DMW-LVF2 life view finder. This works perfectly and doesn't disturb other viewers with a bright display, especially at night. I intend to use the LX10/LX15 inside in museums etc, wher you cannot use a flash.Like0 I do not know if the display can be dimmed. I us my old LUMIX DMC-LX7 with a 36g tiltable Panasonic DMW-LVF2 Live Viewfinder. This is very convinient, as a bright display may disturb other viewers in in dimmed rooms or at night watching a opera or a concert on an open air stage. I want to by the LX10/LX15 for taking pictures in museums etc. where you can't use a flashLike0 Ron Simon does a bunch of great reviews on YouTube and shows that the lx15 can't AF at all during video unless you tap to focus - especially when vlogging...too bad bc now I'll have to shell out the extra $300 for the pocket warmer rx100v.Like1 This is simply not true. I am pretty sure he simply set the camera to the wrong settings.The is AF-S mode in which you have to tap the screen to get the camera to focus.Then there is the classical AF-C mode.Last but not least the is the AFF mode, which is pretty smart. The camera only refocuses if there is movement. This means the Af hunting is reduced, however sometime it does not refocus, because it does not sense movement.Oh, and if you have set the continoues autofocus during video setting to off, of course it won't refocus.Like0 I should have been more specific, it seemed to struggle quite a bit when vlogging with different setting. Eventually he had to tap to focus to get his face in focus. Outside of that it usually worked. Moot point for me since I got the rx100v and have the gx85 for anything longer than 5 minLike0 Nice review, nice value in terms of what the camera can do, but the lack of an EVF on this kind of camera is deal breaker.Like0 I agree, because I can whip the camera up to my face, can use my face to quickly stabilize the camera, instantly see the scene, then shoot.
With the LCD, I have to hold it out, wobble a bit to get it level, hope that the sun is not behind me, then shoot.
The LCD is fine for slow shooting,
and on a tripod.
I also want a hot shoe.
So, I am sticking with my Panasonic Lumix XL7 for now, as it has all the features I like, including a 24mm wide angle, and the Leica lens is quite good.
Recently, I photographed, using a tripod,
the under chassis of a new 1000 watt Carver monoblock tube amplifier, then had the image enlarged to 30&X36&.
Lighting was good, I shot at 100, f4.
Even at greatly enlarged size, noise was not noticeable and it was so sharp I could easily read the tiny numbers and letters on the parts.
Remarkable.Like0 I hope that Panasonic will replace the Panasonic XL7 with a camera with a built-in EVF, larger sensor with adjustable diopter (for those with eye glasses, near or far sighted vision), keep the hot shoe.
Now, with an easily updated, less gimmicky menu, that would be a well nigh perfect compact camera.
And would sell like crazy, from what I have observed people want in a compact camera.Like0 Only if Sony would make the RX100 M5 bigger for those of us with man hands I would buy ?Like1 Buy a Nikon D800....if you are so big :PLike0 j s k,My point about the grip wasn't that it's not helpful. It was the price that I was commenting upon.Yes, fully zoomed the lens on the ZS100 is optically decent.Interesting thing about very small tripods: They can be very useful as grips themselves.Like0 The question is which is more important to you.
The 25-250mm range of the ZS100 or the 2 stop faster 24-72mm lens of the LX10.
I enjoy my ZS100, but it did handle like a wet bar of soap until I got the glue-on $14 part from Amazon that adds some friction and looks great on the camera.
Panasonic should have provided a rubbery coating.
My $250 refurb Fuji X30 has a fast sharp lens and covers 28-112mm.
Both the X30 and ZS100 have viewfinders.
It didn't occur to me that viewfinders were an age issue but I am 80 with recent cataract surgery.
I tend to use the LCD with reading glasses.
Otherwise, it is constant on-off on-off with the damn reading glasses.Like1 The ZS100's lens isn't great optically.The lens on the LX10/15 looks more promising, if not as much of a zoom.$14 is kinda high for a large door/drawer bumper/footing.Right, presbyopia, on average, increases with age.Like1 I am satisfied with the pics I have taken at the 250mm end handheld as long as the light is decent.
Carrying a tripod kinda doesn't seem right with a pocket sized camera.
The $14 bomber grip makes a yuuuge difference in having a secure grip, even if you don't have orange hair.
As a pure amateur, I only have to please myself.
I wasn't all that thrilled with the camera at first, but it grows on you.
I carry it in a belt pouch in summery weather.Like0 j s k,My point about the grip wasn't that it's not helpful. It was the price that I was commenting upon.Yes, fully zoomed the lens on the ZS100 is optically decent.Interesting thing about very small tripods: They can be very useful as grips themselves.Like0 Visit your optician today and enquire about progressive lenses for your glasses.You're welcome.Like0 I am a little confused as I compare this review of the LX10 to the recent RX100V.
When I use the compare tool, the Sony wins for low light/High ISO performance.
I am wondering how that can be considering the faster lens of the Panasonic.
Can someone please explain that for me?
I am leaning toward the
Panasonic because I will need the performance at 24mm in low lighting situations and I would have thought the Panasonic would win with the faster len at that focal length.Like0 Are you comparing raws? Raws or jpeg, it's best to download, and try them out. Also the DPR studio scene isn't great for higher ISO low light testing with any camera. The Imaging-Resource one is a bit better. Anyhow get, real world raws/jpegs from IR or DPR, or PhotoGraphyBlog and look at the results at various ISOs, keeping in mind what kind of shooting you'd do.To my eye, with raws from both the RX100V and the LX10/15, both are about the same. Shooting raw both become unusable somewhere between ISO 3200 and 6400. (I've not bothered to look at out of camera jpegs.)Also the Sony uses a slightly different sensor.Like0 You have,I suspect made the same mistake as I did. If you compare the bottom R of the test page (as you look at it)the Sony is noticeably better but otherwise they both produce similar results. The Panasonic appears to have a decentred lens.Like0 Yes, the lens is decentred. (bottom L is superb)Like0 F+P,If in fact the lens on the Panasonic used for the DRP studio scene is faulty, y'all are bringing up a further argument for looking at samples from many sources before making a judgement about lenses.Like1 @pedroMZ&Similar results &I disagree. If you look closely, you see that the Panasonic lens performs far better than the Sony mark III for example. This is so obvious. I am going to resell my mark III because its autofocus is unreliable and the body is too slippery. Why not have the gx85 with 12-32?Like0 Dansclic--you will be giving up the EVF.
Imo not a sacrifice worth making for possible improvement in IQ,IF you get a good lens.Like0 At 1.4 on Panny vs 1.8 on Sony, you'll be gaining 2/3rds of a stop. So for example, shooting at same shutter speed, you
could shoot at 400 on the Panny, while Sony would need to be at 640 to pull the same light. Or you could shoot at the same ISO and increase shutter speed..eg, 1/60 on Panasonic LX10 vs 1/40 on the Sony.But there's more to consider, eg, sharpness of lens at those apertures and focal lengths..algorithms, your skill etc...
It doesn't necessarily mean a better shot...Like1 The Panasonic is better in terms of low light performance than the Sony. Check out the graph in the review.Like0 The Panasonic LX100 sensor size isn't corrent. It should be 225 sq. mmLike0 The LX100 can never use the full area of its sensor. 180 sq. mm is the maximum area that's used.
Like2 Consequently crop M43(1.2') share the same SNR with 1'.Like0 I have to admit I don't get the Panasonic or Canon approaches.
If you are going to spend between $600-900 it says you are serious about getting past the iPhone and are willing to invest in taking pictures with more than the average point and shoot.
But without a viewfinder, you are stuck at arms length and stuck when the sun is out.
I love Canons for the better menu and the familiarity but I love the Sony Rx100 I have for the darn viewfinder.
How can be serious (and expensive) without a viewfinder?Like6 I had the RX100i and now have the RX100v. I never had a problem with the original RX100 despite its lack of viewfinder. In fact, I prefer that model over the v because it more comfortably fit in my pocket. [In fact, it feels a little awkward / ridiculous holding such a small camera up to one's face to use the viewfinder]Like2 I've had all of the Sony RX100s and I've NEVER used the viewfinder. Not once. I also don't entirely understand why anyone would use it. I'd like to see Sony remove it and bring the hot shoe back.Like2 Photo Gopher:An EVF would be real useful out doors in bright light, like at the beach or in snow/sun situation.Like1 Or for anybody over 50.Like3 I've never used an EVF on a compact camera and am over 50. I understand the possible vision issue. However, how do you take pics with your phone then?Like0 Pedro:Photo Gopher only registered today, Nov 23rd, 2016, and has only posted on this EVF issue. There are several posts to the same effect further down in the comments. Take from that what you will.Like0 @DoncoWell the problem I have with the RX100i is the shi..., I mean the not so splendid autofocus. While I was almost standing
on a chamois, it still managed to lock focus on the background......But I fully agree that I don't often miss an EVFLike0 Photo gopher, I must admit that goveil got the point : when the sun is in your back, it is impossible to take any picture with a decent and precise framing. You always have to shoot approximately because you do not see anything but shadows on your screen. This is a shame not to have a viewfinder on such expensive cameras.Like0 LX10/FZ1000/TZ110 share many features with a powerful panasonic MFT camera(like GX85/G85) and also make its debut with a reasonable price.lacking EVF? I don't think it's an important issue for such a mini-compact camera.Like0 I think LX100 is better but need viewfinder better.Like0 I don't understand why anyone would use a viewfinder on a compact camera.Like1 I do. Believe it or not people over 50 like taking photos,some are actually quite good photographers. Not all are happy with a hit and miss attitude to photography.Like1 Because of Sun.Like1 First, I am an amateur. Personally, I don't like evf. I like ovf.And I like to use ovf on big camera.But it is little awkward
to use tiny evf on compact camera.Is there any huge difference in IQ on these 1&? If not, than I prefertouch screen rather than tiny evf on compact camera.Therefore, LX10 or G9x is better than RX100IV to me.And G9X is really true pocket camera.Like0 Great points on EVF and OVF.Like0 Olympus have yet to enter the 1& fray. Hopefully they will give us a nice surprise . 25-100 with a built in(not pop up) EVF would be nice.Like4 Yes! I was expecting this Olympus to photokina this year, but no! I'm afraid, it will, again, have the main switch (power) at the wrong side so that it can't be used our even switched on with one hand.Like0 Canon G5X has every thing that you asked and more:Olympus and FUJI are not up to the high-end P&S game for years such as the zoom is not wide enough as seem from Olympus Stylus 1s and FUJI X30.Like1 Canon G5X ist terribly slow when shooting raw. I'm waiting for a Mark II.Like1 Yes it is.... but i really wonder if it worth buying one of these compacts against an E-M10 mkII.I want a compact camera, but the E-M10 is compact enough for me, so i am rather oscillating between the G5X, LX100, and then again keep returning to the E-M10, which sound like a better package overall... It's good to have choices. I am not really time pressed, so i will probably wait to see what the LX200 brings into play.Like0 &Handles like a bar of wet soap&. I've not seen that used before - it's a great line.Like9 For some time, I have been looking around for a small, powerful camera and went for the Leica 109 (LX100). I know it is a personal &thing&, but, for me, I need a finder, either OVF or EVF. Holding a camera at arms length with my eyesight is a definite no! As a result, I am not interested in this camera.Like5 I have the same problem and now my arms simply aren't long enough. I would think a camera like this without an EVF is going to have limited appeal to anyone over 40 for that very reason. Stopping to put on reading glasses gets old.Like5 I think the problem with this niche is the potential buyer. I mean that apart of the minority of enthusiasts that really used and still using these cams to their extend, a lot of people bought these cams as a cam to have. These people are numerous comparing to the enthusiasts, so manufacturers tend to satisfy their habits and modus operandi. So instead of having cams with 4x bright lenses, viewfinder, a supporting flash unit and hot shoe, articulating screen, mic jacks and 12-14 Mp sensors, advanced video tools palette and ergonomical robust sealed bodies, manufacturers oblige to the wider audience preferences thus delivering non enthusiast photogs products. Who in turn I find it difficult to pay $1200 for a tool that is not aimed in people's vanity and fashion trends.Like3 huh?Like4 Surprised that &lack of a viewfinder& is no longer an issue for DPR.Like8 Pls read the comment in conclusion page ...&Good for Enthusiast photographers who can live without a viewfinder...&Like5 DPR have never worried much about a lack of EVF. Reason? --age of reviewers.Like0 This is a bit of a half-hearted attempt from Panasonic. The fast lens is nice, as is the 4K photo mode, and it's reasonably priced, but the RX100 family offers more and has that all important EVF.Like5 I think it has a tougher competitor in it's LX100 sibling:* current price of lx100 is a tad cheaper than current price of the lx10. * from the studio comparison, it seems the LX100 has constantly better IQ.Like5 The LX100 is better than this LX10/15 NewToy...but for some, it might work. Funny thing is, the lens is the same reach, and not really faster, equal, because the LX100 does have a mFT Sensor 16 MP (albeit it uses only roughly ~12MP because of the various Modes) and the LX100 is cheaper than this LX10/15 offering...better build quality - and a EVF, which is way important, not only into bright sunlight, but also Night Photography.If Panasonic would price this new Toy about 500 EUR, it'll be a fine offering - but not for (currently) more than the LX100 Price, which is basically 2 years old, but better from Image Quality.Panasonic should make a true LX200 Successor, or whatever it's being named...not these sidekicks.Like10 AB:From the raws I've seen, and I've not seen enough to be absolutely sure, this looks to be an optically better lens than the Sony version of this camera. And I like the Sony RX100IV and V.Like2 Still don't understand the need for an electronic viewfinder. I love the RX100 but using the viewfinder is awkward. I rarely see anyone using it.Like0 PhotoGopher:Bright light, say outdoors in the snow on a sunny day. May not be an issue if you don't shoot that way, but it matters to some.Like1 I've shot 1000s of pics in bright sunlight with the RX100 series and have never used the electronic viewfinder (EVF). Well, except to try it once and realize it was useless.Like0 I use the viewfinder on my Sony RX100 all the time. Would be lost without it.Like0 Photo Gopher:It's &useless&? Seems plenty useful to me, if a bit fidgety to set up.Like0 Another good 1& sensor pocket camera.....nothing more.Like1 Will Panasonic make a TRUE LX7/5/... successor?LX line had ability to use UWA and Tele add-on via tube mounted on the body, also
LX7 is true 24mm - muti ration aspect sensor. LX100 is muti ration aspect sensor too + Tele add-on with tube mounted on the body, but no UWA possible.This LX10 has none of above. In other words, the TRUE LX line is dead so far.If I do not have RX100.M3, I will buy Nikon DL18-50, but Nikon is kind of forgetting
the DLs, but busy with laying off people.Like8 Agreed.
I love my LX7, and use it at 16:9 aspect ratio all the time.
Because it's a multi aspect ratio sensor, what is 24mm at 4:3 effectively becomes more like 21 or 22mm at 16:9, which makes it the widest angle compact camera on the market.
The only camera that is wider is the Nikon DL 18-50, and who knows when that will emerge.
If Panasonic discontinue the LX7 line, it will be very disappointing.Like4 Good notes.Like1 FYI: This camera has the same sensor as the LX7 and a 19mm lensLike3 @telefunk - thank you!
I loved my Casio Z750 years ago, but moved on because they weren't producing anything that suited me thereafter.
This new Casio is intriguing.Like0 Archiver, are you saying the LX10 does not have the 16:9 aspect option to achieve the 21-22mm view that the LX7 (and my old LX3) had?
I see it listed here on the Pani site, but maybe I am missing something? 16:9 Listed under &Still Picture Recording& on this link: Like0 &and Nikon promising a comparable 'DL' model at some point& -DPRIn *April* a Nikon press release said &the new release date has yet to be determined and we will announce the information as soon as it is decided.& Nikon *still* haven't announced a release date for their DL line. Pathetic.Like0 Nikon will show off their DL at incoming CES again, but this time It may be the DL.MK2 per SONY (RX100's) release speed/schedule
- one upgrading version per year.Like1 The LX100 is by far the best camera of its kind. But the current sensor in it is not game anymore these days, just makes no sense. They should have a sensor in the league of the old Samsung NX and then, rule the enthusiast compact camera segment. An old generation 12MP sensor in a compact camera is laughable. Manufactures need a wake-up call that the small cameras market is dying against cell phones and they need to give EXTRA VALUE and a justification for people to go buy an extra gear just to take photos. 12MP sensors and higher are now found on just about ALL phones in the world and people don't go buy ANOTHER 12MP camera just because it has a larger M43 sensor inside and a 2x or 3x zoom. If the LX200 is to be successful, need to be with a major update: sensor+lens+for factor. But.. this is fantasy..if it gets 16/20MP + new lens will be a miracle & once again the point&shoot market will continue its slide. A few more years all these small cameras will be like camcorders.. all gone!Like7 The ONLY compact camera that truly has my attention is Nikon's DL18-50. VALUE = something that cellphones cannot do and only DSLRs with specialized expensive lens could offer. Finally a totally different point&shoot with wide capabilites unlike any other small camera ever made. UNFORTUNATELY, it's all vaporware. Nikon does everything in their power to go down faster than almost anyone else in the industry and the DL18-50 is just another car in that long train. Announced back in February, now, after several excuses and official delays, 10 months later is yet to be seen or released. It's all just laughable..Like9 Hmmm. Interesting comment. I have recently purchased the Leica 109 (LX100) and love it. I am quite happy with the 12mp of the Leica 109 as I am with the 5mp of my Leica Digilux 2 and Olympus E-1. Even with these I can do very nice A3 prints. I do not need even 12mp. But more megapixels the better is the perception of the &great unwashed& a lie perpetrated by the media. I just wonder where it will all end. Will we see 25mp, 30mp, 50mp in a compact! Asolutely ridiculous! But if the photo media can generate and perpetuate megapixel envy and the camera companies can flog it to you, then, they will.Like3 Regarding megapixel count I have one word for you:CROPPING!I dont know how you do your photo editing. If you instantly always compose your shots perfectly each time, kudos for you. &Unfortunately& I recompose many shot later & by the time I finish cropping I end up with a VGA size photo that is totally useless. A 100 or 200 Megapixel camera would actually be a bliss. It would allow me to edit & crop my material without the current low megapixel count limitation that ruins them by the time I finish editing. You can always re-size down if a smaller image is all you need you always can, but scaling up you cannot.And in fact if you are happy with your 5mp CCD of your 2004 Leica Digilux 2 (Actually a Panasonic LC-1), you dont need any new camera whatsover, not now, not ever. Because the massive shortcomings of a camera like your
Leica now-a-days, are not just its mere 5MP, but sensitivity, DR, color rendition, etc. that by today's standards cant compete even against most cellphones:)Like5 I hope the same for a next G1X.Like1 @ Nikonandmore, Yeah, I knew you were going to mention crapping. I was but could not be bothered. I don't crop. The odd straighten of sloping horizons yes, cropping no. But I do understand your need for it. It's just a thing I developed (no pun) from using film - get it right in camera. That's just my method and no slight whatsoever on those who, like yourself, find yourselves cropping extensively.I am very happy with my ancient Digilux. An amazing camera. I even shot a wedding with it earlier this year. In RAW. 6 seconds to write the file to card. I don't see that my Leica has any shortcomings at all. That is your mental limitation and not mine. The sensitivity of the Leica is ISO 100 only, the DR, metering and colour rendition is perfect.
I shot the bride in strong Sun and pulled back all the highlights, even impressed me. My main camera is the XPro-1 and even when I use my in-laws' Canon 5D MkIII and 5DSR I feel no need to perpetually chase after the wind and upgrade. No tar!Like0 My need for editing and cropping? I tell you:I recently
went to a team game at my best friend son's school where I took some truly amazing shots. I took my Sony RX1R that has a fixed 35mm lens because that was the only thing I had at hand at that moment. For most shots I could never get close enough to the action on the field. Later in post, I cropped and framed the shots as I would have wanted if my original equipment's focal distance would have allowed me. The result, some of the favorite photos I took this year, all down to less than 6-8MP which for me isn't good enough to produce clean larger format prints. Had I a much higher resolution body, I would not be stuck with this crippling limitation. Should you be interested to see some of those shots and what cropping can do, Ill happily post them here.And if you, never crop your photos, fabulous.. you are all set! Finally, sorry for my mental limitations as you put it. Surely you are right and I am totally wrong.Cheers.Like1 Stop saying bad things about Nikon -- they were once a great company.Like0 faterikcartman, look at my user name. Nikon is my favorite and most
used brand. If there is a long time dedicated Nikon fan, its me. I dont bash them. I do a reality check. The last great and innovative Nikon I bought was the D3x.. one of the best cameras I have ever owned and used, and still do.
No product after that has impressed me.. the horrible D800 I bought, the horrid D600 I had to trade for a D610 and also lenses that fall in the same disappointment category. And I dont want to mention a 1 J5 I bought for my girlfy fell apart 2 months later.. body AND kit lens. And the latest thing Ive eagerly awaited from the , the DL18-50, has been vaporware for 10 months. Sorry.. doesn't look good..Like1 The LX 100 has the same 16mp sensor found in a variety of Panasonic m43 camera's and presumably the Oly EM-1Unfortunately you can only use a 12mp ish equiv. crop. due to the lens restrictionsThis camera could definitely make good use of the latest 20mp m43 sensor.Like0 @Nikonandmore You're welcome!Like0 BarnET I'm sure the soon upcoming (I'm guessing soon) LX200 will have a 20MP or some sort of other upgraded sensor. But this multi-aspect ratio facet, versatile as it is, cripples too much resolution out of the sensor's native capabilities. I hope they find some other solution because without a higher megapixel count, this camera line makes less and less sense for its niche market. We will see..Like1 Nikonandmore -- it's no big deal that we all breeze through these comments pretty quick.
I shoot Nikon, but I have been dissappointed by their direction and how they do business for a few years.
Their recent layoffs suggest my criticism may be well founded.
Anyway, here's the joke: I didn't say stop saying bad things about Nikon, they're a great company.
I said they were once a great company.
Read correctly, I wasn't defending Nikon, I was insulting them and their recent operations.
I believe we're on the same page and there's no need to defend yourself.
Sorry if my joke was a little too subtle for the comments section.
I need emojis for this.Like0 FYI: This camera has the same sensor as the LX7 and a 19mm lensLike0 Problem is it's a casio,Good luck finding one in europe these days.Like0 I bought it in EuropeLike0 I had had 2 Panasonic Lumix cameras and would hesitate about buying another one. Both of my Panasonic had blown sensors after less than 2 years.
I had to always Photoshop out the black spots in images because of it.Like0 I tested all three cameras: Lumix LX10, Can G7Xii and Sony RX100 V, and although I agree with most in regards to its photo and macro ability, it has bad image stabilization for those also using it for video. The Sony RX100 V and Can G7X II trump the LX10 in this feature.Like3 Please don't mention Trump.Like0 I understand that we are now several years into the 1& sensor age and that cameras like this need to be picked apart for their flaws.
But this LX10 eats its peers for breakfast when it comes to close focus ability/macro.
I think dpreview does both the camera and its review integrity a disservice by not making a big deal out of that 3 cm minimum focus distance.
Couple the macro ability with the built-in focus stacking and the camera is in a class of its own.
I won't regale the camera's other abilities that prompted me to purchase it over the RX100 mark IV or V and the Canon G7X mark ii, but I am bemused that the G7X mark ii and the LX10 have the same 81% rating.Like3 The focus stacking is limited to 4K -& 8MP resolution if I read the manual correctly. Hence, it is kinda web use only.On the other hand, G7X II has built in ND, smaller form factor and longer (very useful) lens reach. Although lacking the EVF and 4K capability, I don't think it is surprising they got parity score.Of course, RX100 is still leading the class in terms of feature and capability and about sitting the bottom in terms of menu design.Like1 &The focus stacking is limited to 4K -& 8MP resolution if I read the manual correctly. Hence, it is kinda web use only.&My main cam is a Nikon D810 with various macro lenses and I've had many nature photos published (usually for money) in textbooks and other media back in the early 2000s that came from _2MP_ cameras like the Nikon Coolpix 950 (I still get publisher requests for some of those).
Don't poo-poo 8MP.
Even for JPGs, the auto-stacked images are remarkably good from the LX10, and there's always automatic focus bracketing for the full 20MP for manual stacking later.
Critically, I got a more pleasing stacked image from the LX10 yesterday in the field yesterday versus the 36MP D810 image shot of the same subject.&On the other hand, G7X II has built in ND, smaller form factor and longer (very useful) lens reach.&Great features highlighted in the review of that camera.
Can we point out a great feature (the close focus) of the LX10 to be fair?
Editorial review please?Like5 IMO Canon G7XII has the best lens in both specs and optical performance.
This particular sample of the Panasonic goes to mush on the right side of the frame.
And the 1.4 at 24mm equiv is mostly hype as it ramps up so quickly.
It's the Canon that seems to have the most extended focal range along with wider aperture equivalence.
Two things I like in a fixed camera...that the lens is really really good, and that it is not a dust magnet which is impossible to remedy without servicing.
That said if I *did* have to service it'd probably be Canon that is easiest (i.e. local drop off).Like1 While the long end of the Canon is definitely a major selling point. We also have to point out that the Canon has extremely poor corners between 24-35mm.This is simply due to te lens not covering the sensor. And software correction stretching is mandatory. In the end their ambitious specification has both advantages and disadvantages.Like1 &the camera is extremely reticent to use ISOs higher than 1600&As it should be. On 1& format, that's about the upper limit of what you'd normally want to use. In the special case that a photographer needs to stop motion in low light, shutter priority exposure should be used.Any &auto& feature in a camera must be like this: prioritize the needs of the many above the needs of the few. Unless the camera can detect a fast moving subject and adjust dynamically, autoISO in program auto or aperture priority should try to keep noise as low as possible to the limit of avoiding camera shake.Like3 The problem with shutter priority is that even with a small sensor and dull light it's still sometimes necessary to stop down for depth of field. It's a shame that this camera doesn't offer a minimum shutter speed option that could be used in aperture priority with auto-ISO. That would let people prioritise shutter speed over low ISO without the limitations of shutter priority.Or alternatively, they could finally implement auto-ISO in manual with exposure compensation, so that both aperture and shutter can be controlled while the auto-ISO deals with image brightness. People have been asking Panasonic for that for years now...Like0 This is solved most elegantly by offering a &sensitivity priority& mode separate from manual exposure.Though I can sympathize with both sides of the argument, I agree with Panasonic's purist definition of manual exposure as manual exposure and of disabling EV comp there. Their mistake was in not also disabling autoISO. Once you let autoISO in the door you've basically agreed to combine sensitivity priority mode with your manual exposure mode ... at which point you may as well give in and allow EV comp too.Like1 Derp. Not &sensitivity priority& - that's the opposite of what I meant! It's called TAv mode on Pentax: auto ISO with shutter speed and aperture control, so exactly M + autoISO, but with EV adjust enabled because it's not even pretending to be M mode anymore, leaving M mode full manual as it should be.Like1 Manual mode has never been purely manual on any Panasonic camera as all of them support TTL flash in manual mode. Connect an automatic flash in manual and it'll adjust flash power to set exposure by the camera's meter.I always find it strange that &manual is manual& purists never seem to complain about that flash automation feature being available in manual. To be consistent, shouldn't you be calling for Panasonic to remove the TTL flash options and force it into manual power settings when using M mode? Surely if auto-ISO in M should have it's own separate mode, TTL flash in manual should have a &flash priority mode& too?To me it just seems absurd to create separate modes purely because of issues with the terminology used, especially if it isn't going to be applied consistently anyway.If you want to be really pedantic, ISO isn't technically an exposure setting anyway. It just changes the brightness of the image, while flash/SS/aperture actually change the exposure.Like0 That's a good point about TTL flash. I'm not trying to be pedantic by the way, just interested in what the most intuitive implementation should be.My gripe, if I have one, is that if a user expects the camera to take care of the exposure automatically when in &manual mode& ... the feature is at the very least miss-named. I realize that TTL flash exposes the inconsistency of this thinking, but TTL + manual is one of those oddball combos that I don't run very often if ever in practice. To be honest autoISO + manual goes in a similar box. If I am in a situation where I am carefully adjusting both aperture and shutter speed, then I also have time to set the ISO manually.So on balance I'd be happy with a M mode that switches to manual ISO automatically, and a TAv mode that leaves autoISO and EV comp active.Like0 As I mentioned, it isn't really misnamed as technically ISO isn't an exposure setting - manual mode still provides full control over exposure even with auto-ISO on. Of course that does mean exposure compensation is misnamed when it's only adjusting the ISO...Pentax aside, I think most camera makers at the moment simply provide the option of auto-ISO in M. I don't see it causing much confusion among current Fuji/Sony/Nikon/Canon users.Manual + auto-ISO is easily my favourite mode because of its unique combination of control and speed. On a twin dial camera aperture/shutter speed can be quickly adjusted, while changing ISO is generally slower, without a dedicated control.That can make a big difference when shooting wildlife/BiF in changeable lighting, or indoor events where subjects/situations are different from moment to moment (e.g. taking a shallow DOF portrait one second and a wide crowd shot the next). Pausing to pointlessly micromanage ISO between shots can mean missed shots.Like0 How does it compare with a Fuji X30?
I know it has a bigger sensor, but it sounds as though the X30 has it beat for handling, and has a good EVF.
X30 does not appear as an option to compare it with.
tomLike0 The X30 competes more directly with the LX100, but I don't think it comes away from that comparison very favourably...Like0 Not a perfect camera, but for my particular needs it's better than the Sony or Canon and I'll pick one up to replace my LX7 as my pocketable anywhere camera.Like1 the best i have seen yet in small cameras are the LX100s, 12mp M43 has lower noise despite its age, gives you close to 24mm in 4k shooting, has a viewfinder, no heat issue in 4k, long battery life, more control/function buttons and solid build...wish it was smallerLike5 That 12MP old generation sensor is not acceptable these days anymore. My Nexus 6 cell phone with Almalence SuperSensor technology app can take noise-free 52MP stills. Point and shoot manufactures need all to get a grip and offer features we can find on cell phones, go make cell phones, or quit the business.Like2 just lower per-pixel noiseLike0 Yes certainly much lower per-pixel noise of course, but that's that's not the point. The point is that is not enough to compel people to go but an extra pocket size camera, a market that dying and shrinking at warp speed . 99% of all photos are taken during daylight, 99% are viewed on VGA size dimensions on computer displays and phones (where you can't see any noise) and for the rest 99% of the situations you can easily edit the noisy photo and apply extra noise reduction as needed.I have an LX100 and the truth is I never use it anymore. Why? Because my iPhone 7 also has 12MP,most of my photos are randomly taken during the day and under proper lightinh conditions they re totally noise free. Yes I don't have zoom but that's about it. So, why carry the LX100?Like3 The only other point & shoot I'd ever consider buying would be the wanna-be Nikon DL18-50 that is truly different as the only pocketable ultra wide zoom ever made. UNFORTUNATELY, it was &never& actually made. It's only vaporware because Nikon announced it back in February and 10 months later is yet to be seen. Now, I don't even want it anymore. I don't want anything that's Nikon. Totally over them.. this said from someone that only bought Nikon all his life till recently. Nikon is a dead brand for me.. innovation zero, recalls endless and sales timinig non-existing..Like0 FYI: This camera has the same sensor as the LX7 and a 19mm lensLike0 Funny thing,..if one does compare the LX100 with the LX10/15 into the Compare-o-Meter, the LX10/15 scores a bit better into the Lens department...and the LX100 Lens is better...and the latter Lens is just a tad faster (F1.4 instead of F1.7 onto the LX100, but the LX100 does have the bigger, mFT Sensor, so it's ~equal...i'd say...even into Fall 2015, last year...the LX100 was being sold into a flashsale for just 499 EUR...i should have taken it....never a 1& or any kind of premium compact without a EVF..but that's just my need...others may be different. ;-)Like0 Doesn't look like this is a major upgrade to the LX100 in terms of video?I've had a LX100 on hand for a bit now, and it's been pretty joyous for flicking around on rails and producing some amateur video as long as it's not extremely low light.Like0 IQ, 2 stops worse than the Sony , and unlike the LX5-7 no EVF option. Expensive and
disappointing.Like5 It's the same sensor....Like2 Yes, you are quite right ,I had forgotten this. Actually I always tend to look at the sponge/brush in the lower R hand field ,there appears to be an issue with the lens as the equivalent L upper field(as you face the monitor) is as good as the Sony. It begs the question whether one should worry about the absolute quality of the sensor if the lens quality is so variable from one camera to another.Like0 Does anyone seriously use an EVF on such a small device? Doesn't make sense.Like0 Oh well, another camera I won't buy.Like6 &Hmmm.... Focus Stacking... chomp, chomp... *burp*& - Homer Simpson..Like2 f/1.4 wide end, aperture ring, great 4K and a vlog-friendly LCD makes this an appealing choice.
The problem is the real-world price is currently higher than the LX100 in the US.Like3 No lens performance test?Like1 I am sure this camera will be just the ticket for some shooter. However, not me. No EVF and a very short zoom range for $700. Not what I am a looking for.GregLike4 Where's the Leica red dot version? ?Like1 Need to write marketing superlatives first.Like0 Better than Sony RX100M5 is the million dollar question?Like0 No. That's the $300 cheaper answer.
Like13 if I'm not wrong, the G7X mkII is able to take 1080 60P clips. Not limited to 30P like in your comparative table.Like1 Quite right. I'll fix that immediately.
Like3 I hope Panasonic read the review and try to fix the problems, maybe on next models. and I believe next models will get Gold awardLike0 Panasonic prominently puts &24-72& on the lens barrel. Such nerve! Where is the Equivalence Police, with their usual shrieking & frothing?Like2 Do some camera makers put equivalence markings on their lens? I,ve never seen any!Like0 @Chuckmet,Did you ever own a camera ? ;-)My old Kodak P880 and Konica-Minolta Dimage A1, and my not so old FujiFilm X30 display equivalent focal length on the zoom ring...Like0
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共20页&&到第松下发布LX系列小DC的新品 LX10 庆祝Lumix系列推出15周年_玩科技
为了庆祝 Lumix 系列推出 15 周年，Panasonic 今天发表了 LX 系列小 DC 的新品 LX10。和两年前发表的&LX100&不同，这次 Pana 舍弃了 m4/3 尺寸的感光器，回归到了 1 吋 20.1MP 的感光元件，所以它更像是 LX7 的后继机种，与&Sony RX100 IV&和Canon G7X II&打对台 。和 LX100 相比，虽然一样它保有了 24-75mm、f/1.4-2.8 镜头，但体型要更小巧一些。此外 ，全金属的机身带来了极佳的质感，做为 Pana 的相机，自然 4K 摄影相关的功能也是必不可少的。 LX10 在美国定价 US$699，我们这里多少就有待 Panasonic 公布啰。
除了 LX10 之外，Panasonic 还同时发表了类单眼炮筒 FZ2500，这是台同样采用 20MP 的 1 吋感光元件，但装备了 20~480mm 的 24x 巨炮。它特别的地方在于变焦完全在镜筒内进行，所以开机的时候会先伸长，然后无论广角还是望远都不会动了。FZ2500 可以同样可以拍摄 4K 视频，并且可以在 4,096 x 2,160 和 3,840 x 2,160 两种 4K 之间选择呢。FZ2500 的定价是比 LX100 要贵得多的 US$1,200，这价格买台普通的 DSLR 也差不多啰。
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The Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX10 (LX15 in some markets) is a 20MP large-sensor compact with a bright (F1.4-2.8), 24-72mm equivalent zoom lens. Which is to say, it's a very capable pocket camera. And, being a Panasonic, it has video specs and clever video-based features to back up its stills capabilities.
Panasonic's LX cameras have always had the enthusiast in mind, built around larger-than-average sensors with short but bright lenses and as many direct controls as can sensibly be fitted onto a pocketable camera body. They helped reinvigorate the enthusiast compact sector and prompted a series of imitators before the much larger sensor of Sony's RX100 rendered them irrelevant.
Key specifications
20MP 1"-type CMOS sensor
24-72mm equivalent F1.4-2.8 zoom
7 fps continuous shooting with autofocus
4K video at up to 30p
5-axis, digital and optical stabilization in 1080 video
4K Photo mode
Post Focus and Focus Stacking modes
The LX10 is Panasonic's first direct response to the big-sensored Sonys. The company has already built an excellent series of compacts that address every other niche you can think of: the long zoom stills/video FZ1000 and FZ2500, a large sensor ZS100 version of their well respected travel zoom series, and a larger sensor photographer's camera, the LX100. But the LX10 is a head-to-head competitor for Sony's pocket wonders.
The approach is a little different: unlike the RX100 III and IV, the LX10 doesn't have a viewfinder. Instead, it offers a touchscreen interface and a screen that can be tilted upwards. In many respects, the LX10 is a logical post-1" successor to the last of the smaller sensor models: .
The camera also offers Panasonic's 4K Photo mode, which offers a series of ways of specifying when the camera should capture a video clip from which stills can then be extracted. It also has Panasonic's Post Focus mode that captures a video clip of the camera racking focus, so you can choose to grab the frame with optimal focus, after the fact.
Compared with its peers
The LX10 means there are now three brands building small cameras with 1"-type sensors and short, bright zooms (and Nikon promising a comparable 'DL' model at some point). We've also included the LX10's big brother, the LX100 in this comparison, just to show what you get if you have room to carry its additional size.
PanasonicLX10
Sony DSC-RX100 IV
Canon G7X Mark II
PanasonicLX100
Sensor area
Lens range (equiv)
Aperture range
Control dials
Aperture ringCommand dialLens ring (stepless)
Lens ring (stepless)Four-way/dial
Lens ring(stepped/stepless)Exposure CompFour-way/dial
Aperture ringShutter dialExposure CompLens ring (stepless)Four-way/dial
Viewfinder
&2.36M-dot
2.76M-dot equiv.*
Rear screen
Tilt upTouchscreen
Tilt up/down
Tilt up/downTouchscreen
Video capability
4K/30p1080/60p
Built-in ND Filter
Yes (Auto for stills)
Yes(Auto for stills)
Built-in pop-up (bounceable)
Built-in pop-up(bounceable)
Built-in pop-up(bounceable)
Clip-on hotshoe flash
Battery life (CIPA)
280(230 with EVF)
300(270 with EVF)
Dimensionsmm (in)
105 x 61 x 42(4.1 x 2.4 x 1.7)
102 x 58 x 41(4.0 x 2.3 x 1.6)
106 x 61 x 42(4.2 x 2.4 x 1.7)
115 x 66 x 55(4.5 x 2.6 x 2.2)
*The LX100 uses a field-sequential display that updates red, green and blue information in sequence and, as such, does not require three dots to make up each three-color 'pixel.'**p is a dedicated high speed video mode, with limited control.
Equivalent apertures
The chart below breaks down the equivalent aperture for each camera, as you work your way through the zoom range. Our article
explains the concept of equivalence, but at a high level all you need to know is that the lower the line is on the graph below, the blurrier the backgrounds you'll be able to get and, typically, the better the overall low-light performance.
Just as the specs suggest, the LX10's lens is broadly similar to that of the Sony RX100 III and IV. It's 2/3EV brighter at first but by 30mm equivalent they're both already down to F2.8 (F7.6 equiv). So although it should offer a similar performance to its big brother, the LX100, at wide angle, the bigger camera maintains an advantage across the rest of its zoom range.
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Most popular (15)Editors' picks (0)DPR staff (14)Oldest first I can only get 100fps in high speed video mode, I don't know how you get 120fps.Like0 is that something to do with your region settings, 50hz vs 60hz ?Like0 I bought this camera, hoping to make some hi-res pictures. After a couple of days, I am close to hurling it into a river as every picture seems to suck. I'll probably get a lot of flac for not knowing what I'm doing, but the lens deformation is massive. Every picture looks like it was made with some sort of gimmick wide eye lens you put on a phone.I tried everything to prevent this but I just can't find it and i suppose this is just the way the lens is? Hope I can sell it when I get back home.Like0 Recommended Card Size & Rating for the LX10 to not limit camera?Like0 Flash sync speed ? Flash recycle time ? Hopefully somebody knows.Like0 The Canon G9X MARK II is clearly the winner at the moment if SMALLEST SIZE/BEST POSSIBLE IQ are the *sole* parameters.(Those aren't the sole parameters for me, however)But ask me again tomorrow, by all means!Like1 Panasonic is a bit sharper but only when you view it at 100%Like0 Whether G9X II gives the best possible IQ depends on where in the lens range you are. It's significantly slower at the long end of the zoom, which will have a significant impact on IQ in situations where you're light limited.
I've added it to the graph on page 1, to demonstrate this.
Like2 Any one has compared LX 10 with ZS 100?Like0 the ZS100/TZ100 is known as a &Travelzoom& camera (Focal length 25-250mm equivalent). I hold a few predecessors namely the TZ3, TZ7, TZ10 and the TZ61 and from my ecperience they all take very good pictures in daylight. But, when taking pictures in twilight or at night then they are not very good at all. With the new 1& sensor of the ZS100 this might now have inproofed, the aperture is F2.8-5.9. The built in electronic viewfinder is definately a great benefit especially in bright sunshine. This is the reason, why I want to buy the LX/10/LX15. The Focal length is only 24-7 mm, however the aperture is F1.4-2.8!
This model offers 1& sensor too allowing for very good pictures in dark rooms or where flashphotography is forbidden.Like0 This is a lot better from Panasonic in terms of size. The LX-100 wasn't really a good continuation from the LX3, 5, 7 in terms of size or usage. Unfortunately it does seem to drop off a steep curve beyond wide open in terms of low light performance.Like1 Yes, the LX100 houses a m4/3 sensor - but doesn't use the whole sensor.
Therefore - the size difference between LX100 and say, RX100 series 1& sensor really isn't that great.
But -the LX100 did have a great control layout.Like1 Can the display be dimmed or turned off?
I'm wondering about using this for concerts.Like0 I use my old Panasonic Lumix DMC-LX7 with the Panasonic DMW-LVF2 life view finder. This works perfectly and doesn't disturb other viewers with a bright display, especially at night. I intend to use the LX10/LX15 inside in museums etc, wher you cannot use a flash.Like0 I do not know if the display can be dimmed. I us my old LUMIX DMC-LX7 with a 36g tiltable Panasonic DMW-LVF2 Live Viewfinder. This is very convinient, as a bright display may disturb other viewers in in dimmed rooms or at night watching a opera or a concert on an open air stage. I want to by the LX10/LX15 for taking pictures in museums etc. where you can't use a flashLike0 Ron Simon does a bunch of great reviews on YouTube and shows that the lx15 can't AF at all during video unless you tap to focus - especially when vlogging...too bad bc now I'll have to shell out the extra $300 for the pocket warmer rx100v.Like1 This is simply not true. I am pretty sure he simply set the camera to the wrong settings.The is AF-S mode in which you have to tap the screen to get the camera to focus.Then there is the classical AF-C mode.Last but not least the is the AFF mode, which is pretty smart. The camera only refocuses if there is movement. This means the Af hunting is reduced, however sometime it does not refocus, because it does not sense movement.Oh, and if you have set the continoues autofocus during video setting to off, of course it won't refocus.Like0 I should have been more specific, it seemed to struggle quite a bit when vlogging with different setting. Eventually he had to tap to focus to get his face in focus. Outside of that it usually worked. Moot point for me since I got the rx100v and have the gx85 for anything longer than 5 minLike0 Nice review, nice value in terms of what the camera can do, but the lack of an EVF on this kind of camera is deal breaker.Like0 I agree, because I can whip the camera up to my face, can use my face to quickly stabilize the camera, instantly see the scene, then shoot.
With the LCD, I have to hold it out, wobble a bit to get it level, hope that the sun is not behind me, then shoot.
The LCD is fine for slow shooting,
and on a tripod.
I also want a hot shoe.
So, I am sticking with my Panasonic Lumix XL7 for now, as it has all the features I like, including a 24mm wide angle, and the Leica lens is quite good.
Recently, I photographed, using a tripod,
the under chassis of a new 1000 watt Carver monoblock tube amplifier, then had the image enlarged to 30&X36&.
Lighting was good, I shot at 100, f4.
Even at greatly enlarged size, noise was not noticeable and it was so sharp I could easily read the tiny numbers and letters on the parts.
Remarkable.Like0 I hope that Panasonic will replace the Panasonic XL7 with a camera with a built-in EVF, larger sensor with adjustable diopter (for those with eye glasses, near or far sighted vision), keep the hot shoe.
Now, with an easily updated, less gimmicky menu, that would be a well nigh perfect compact camera.
And would sell like crazy, from what I have observed people want in a compact camera.Like0 Only if Sony would make the RX100 M5 bigger for those of us with man hands I would buy ?Like1 Buy a Nikon D800....if you are so big :PLike0 j s k,My point about the grip wasn't that it's not helpful. It was the price that I was commenting upon.Yes, fully zoomed the lens on the ZS100 is optically decent.Interesting thing about very small tripods: They can be very useful as grips themselves.Like0 The question is which is more important to you.
The 25-250mm range of the ZS100 or the 2 stop faster 24-72mm lens of the LX10.
I enjoy my ZS100, but it did handle like a wet bar of soap until I got the glue-on $14 part from Amazon that adds some friction and looks great on the camera.
Panasonic should have provided a rubbery coating.
My $250 refurb Fuji X30 has a fast sharp lens and covers 28-112mm.
Both the X30 and ZS100 have viewfinders.
It didn't occur to me that viewfinders were an age issue but I am 80 with recent cataract surgery.
I tend to use the LCD with reading glasses.
Otherwise, it is constant on-off on-off with the damn reading glasses.Like1 The ZS100's lens isn't great optically.The lens on the LX10/15 looks more promising, if not as much of a zoom.$14 is kinda high for a large door/drawer bumper/footing.Right, presbyopia, on average, increases with age.Like1 I am satisfied with the pics I have taken at the 250mm end handheld as long as the light is decent.
Carrying a tripod kinda doesn't seem right with a pocket sized camera.
The $14 bomber grip makes a yuuuge difference in having a secure grip, even if you don't have orange hair.
As a pure amateur, I only have to please myself.
I wasn't all that thrilled with the camera at first, but it grows on you.
I carry it in a belt pouch in summery weather.Like0 j s k,My point about the grip wasn't that it's not helpful. It was the price that I was commenting upon.Yes, fully zoomed the lens on the ZS100 is optically decent.Interesting thing about very small tripods: They can be very useful as grips themselves.Like0 Visit your optician today and enquire about progressive lenses for your glasses.You're welcome.Like0 I am a little confused as I compare this review of the LX10 to the recent RX100V.
When I use the compare tool, the Sony wins for low light/High ISO performance.
I am wondering how that can be considering the faster lens of the Panasonic.
Can someone please explain that for me?
I am leaning toward the
Panasonic because I will need the performance at 24mm in low lighting situations and I would have thought the Panasonic would win with the faster len at that focal length.Like0 Are you comparing raws? Raws or jpeg, it's best to download, and try them out. Also the DPR studio scene isn't great for higher ISO low light testing with any camera. The Imaging-Resource one is a bit better. Anyhow get, real world raws/jpegs from IR or DPR, or PhotoGraphyBlog and look at the results at various ISOs, keeping in mind what kind of shooting you'd do.To my eye, with raws from both the RX100V and the LX10/15, both are about the same. Shooting raw both become unusable somewhere between ISO 3200 and 6400. (I've not bothered to look at out of camera jpegs.)Also the Sony uses a slightly different sensor.Like0 You have,I suspect made the same mistake as I did. If you compare the bottom R of the test page (as you look at it)the Sony is noticeably better but otherwise they both produce similar results. The Panasonic appears to have a decentred lens.Like0 Yes, the lens is decentred. (bottom L is superb)Like0 F+P,If in fact the lens on the Panasonic used for the DRP studio scene is faulty, y'all are bringing up a further argument for looking at samples from many sources before making a judgement about lenses.Like1 @pedroMZ&Similar results &I disagree. If you look closely, you see that the Panasonic lens performs far better than the Sony mark III for example. This is so obvious. I am going to resell my mark III because its autofocus is unreliable and the body is too slippery. Why not have the gx85 with 12-32?Like0 Dansclic--you will be giving up the EVF.
Imo not a sacrifice worth making for possible improvement in IQ,IF you get a good lens.Like0 At 1.4 on Panny vs 1.8 on Sony, you'll be gaining 2/3rds of a stop. So for example, shooting at same shutter speed, you
could shoot at 400 on the Panny, while Sony would need to be at 640 to pull the same light. Or you could shoot at the same ISO and increase shutter speed..eg, 1/60 on Panasonic LX10 vs 1/40 on the Sony.But there's more to consider, eg, sharpness of lens at those apertures and focal lengths..algorithms, your skill etc...
It doesn't necessarily mean a better shot...Like1 The Panasonic is better in terms of low light performance than the Sony. Check out the graph in the review.Like0 The Panasonic LX100 sensor size isn't corrent. It should be 225 sq. mmLike0 The LX100 can never use the full area of its sensor. 180 sq. mm is the maximum area that's used.
Like2 Consequently crop M43(1.2') share the same SNR with 1'.Like0 I have to admit I don't get the Panasonic or Canon approaches.
If you are going to spend between $600-900 it says you are serious about getting past the iPhone and are willing to invest in taking pictures with more than the average point and shoot.
But without a viewfinder, you are stuck at arms length and stuck when the sun is out.
I love Canons for the better menu and the familiarity but I love the Sony Rx100 I have for the darn viewfinder.
How can be serious (and expensive) without a viewfinder?Like6 I had the RX100i and now have the RX100v. I never had a problem with the original RX100 despite its lack of viewfinder. In fact, I prefer that model over the v because it more comfortably fit in my pocket. [In fact, it feels a little awkward / ridiculous holding such a small camera up to one's face to use the viewfinder]Like2 I've had all of the Sony RX100s and I've NEVER used the viewfinder. Not once. I also don't entirely understand why anyone would use it. I'd like to see Sony remove it and bring the hot shoe back.Like2 Photo Gopher:An EVF would be real useful out doors in bright light, like at the beach or in snow/sun situation.Like1 Or for anybody over 50.Like3 I've never used an EVF on a compact camera and am over 50. I understand the possible vision issue. However, how do you take pics with your phone then?Like0 Pedro:Photo Gopher only registered today, Nov 23rd, 2016, and has only posted on this EVF issue. There are several posts to the same effect further down in the comments. Take from that what you will.Like0 @DoncoWell the problem I have with the RX100i is the shi..., I mean the not so splendid autofocus. While I was almost standing
on a chamois, it still managed to lock focus on the background......But I fully agree that I don't often miss an EVFLike0 Photo gopher, I must admit that goveil got the point : when the sun is in your back, it is impossible to take any picture with a decent and precise framing. You always have to shoot approximately because you do not see anything but shadows on your screen. This is a shame not to have a viewfinder on such expensive cameras.Like0 LX10/FZ1000/TZ110 share many features with a powerful panasonic MFT camera(like GX85/G85) and also make its debut with a reasonable price.lacking EVF? I don't think it's an important issue for such a mini-compact camera.Like0 I think LX100 is better but need viewfinder better.Like0 I don't understand why anyone would use a viewfinder on a compact camera.Like1 I do. Believe it or not people over 50 like taking photos,some are actually quite good photographers. Not all are happy with a hit and miss attitude to photography.Like1 Because of Sun.Like1 First, I am an amateur. Personally, I don't like evf. I like ovf.And I like to use ovf on big camera.But it is little awkward
to use tiny evf on compact camera.Is there any huge difference in IQ on these 1&? If not, than I prefertouch screen rather than tiny evf on compact camera.Therefore, LX10 or G9x is better than RX100IV to me.And G9X is really true pocket camera.Like0 Great points on EVF and OVF.Like0 Olympus have yet to enter the 1& fray. Hopefully they will give us a nice surprise . 25-100 with a built in(not pop up) EVF would be nice.Like4 Yes! I was expecting this Olympus to photokina this year, but no! I'm afraid, it will, again, have the main switch (power) at the wrong side so that it can't be used our even switched on with one hand.Like0 Canon G5X has every thing that you asked and more:Olympus and FUJI are not up to the high-end P&S game for years such as the zoom is not wide enough as seem from Olympus Stylus 1s and FUJI X30.Like1 Canon G5X ist terribly slow when shooting raw. I'm waiting for a Mark II.Like1 Yes it is.... but i really wonder if it worth buying one of these compacts against an E-M10 mkII.I want a compact camera, but the E-M10 is compact enough for me, so i am rather oscillating between the G5X, LX100, and then again keep returning to the E-M10, which sound like a better package overall... It's good to have choices. I am not really time pressed, so i will probably wait to see what the LX200 brings into play.Like0 &Handles like a bar of wet soap&. I've not seen that used before - it's a great line.Like9 For some time, I have been looking around for a small, powerful camera and went for the Leica 109 (LX100). I know it is a personal &thing&, but, for me, I need a finder, either OVF or EVF. Holding a camera at arms length with my eyesight is a definite no! As a result, I am not interested in this camera.Like5 I have the same problem and now my arms simply aren't long enough. I would think a camera like this without an EVF is going to have limited appeal to anyone over 40 for that very reason. Stopping to put on reading glasses gets old.Like5 I think the problem with this niche is the potential buyer. I mean that apart of the minority of enthusiasts that really used and still using these cams to their extend, a lot of people bought these cams as a cam to have. These people are numerous comparing to the enthusiasts, so manufacturers tend to satisfy their habits and modus operandi. So instead of having cams with 4x bright lenses, viewfinder, a supporting flash unit and hot shoe, articulating screen, mic jacks and 12-14 Mp sensors, advanced video tools palette and ergonomical robust sealed bodies, manufacturers oblige to the wider audience preferences thus delivering non enthusiast photogs products. Who in turn I find it difficult to pay $1200 for a tool that is not aimed in people's vanity and fashion trends.Like3 huh?Like4 Surprised that &lack of a viewfinder& is no longer an issue for DPR.Like8 Pls read the comment in conclusion page ...&Good for Enthusiast photographers who can live without a viewfinder...&Like5 DPR have never worried much about a lack of EVF. Reason? --age of reviewers.Like0 This is a bit of a half-hearted attempt from Panasonic. The fast lens is nice, as is the 4K photo mode, and it's reasonably priced, but the RX100 family offers more and has that all important EVF.Like5 I think it has a tougher competitor in it's LX100 sibling:* current price of lx100 is a tad cheaper than current price of the lx10. * from the studio comparison, it seems the LX100 has constantly better IQ.Like5 The LX100 is better than this LX10/15 NewToy...but for some, it might work. Funny thing is, the lens is the same reach, and not really faster, equal, because the LX100 does have a mFT Sensor 16 MP (albeit it uses only roughly ~12MP because of the various Modes) and the LX100 is cheaper than this LX10/15 offering...better build quality - and a EVF, which is way important, not only into bright sunlight, but also Night Photography.If Panasonic would price this new Toy about 500 EUR, it'll be a fine offering - but not for (currently) more than the LX100 Price, which is basically 2 years old, but better from Image Quality.Panasonic should make a true LX200 Successor, or whatever it's being named...not these sidekicks.Like10 AB:From the raws I've seen, and I've not seen enough to be absolutely sure, this looks to be an optically better lens than the Sony version of this camera. And I like the Sony RX100IV and V.Like2 Still don't understand the need for an electronic viewfinder. I love the RX100 but using the viewfinder is awkward. I rarely see anyone using it.Like0 PhotoGopher:Bright light, say outdoors in the snow on a sunny day. May not be an issue if you don't shoot that way, but it matters to some.Like1 I've shot 1000s of pics in bright sunlight with the RX100 series and have never used the electronic viewfinder (EVF). Well, except to try it once and realize it was useless.Like0 I use the viewfinder on my Sony RX100 all the time. Would be lost without it.Like0 Photo Gopher:It's &useless&? Seems plenty useful to me, if a bit fidgety to set up.Like0 Another good 1& sensor pocket camera.....nothing more.Like1 Will Panasonic make a TRUE LX7/5/... successor?LX line had ability to use UWA and Tele add-on via tube mounted on the body, also
LX7 is true 24mm - muti ration aspect sensor. LX100 is muti ration aspect sensor too + Tele add-on with tube mounted on the body, but no UWA possible.This LX10 has none of above. In other words, the TRUE LX line is dead so far.If I do not have RX100.M3, I will buy Nikon DL18-50, but Nikon is kind of forgetting
the DLs, but busy with laying off people.Like8 Agreed.
I love my LX7, and use it at 16:9 aspect ratio all the time.
Because it's a multi aspect ratio sensor, what is 24mm at 4:3 effectively becomes more like 21 or 22mm at 16:9, which makes it the widest angle compact camera on the market.
The only camera that is wider is the Nikon DL 18-50, and who knows when that will emerge.
If Panasonic discontinue the LX7 line, it will be very disappointing.Like4 Good notes.Like1 FYI: This camera has the same sensor as the LX7 and a 19mm lensLike3 @telefunk - thank you!
I loved my Casio Z750 years ago, but moved on because they weren't producing anything that suited me thereafter.
This new Casio is intriguing.Like0 Archiver, are you saying the LX10 does not have the 16:9 aspect option to achieve the 21-22mm view that the LX7 (and my old LX3) had?
I see it listed here on the Pani site, but maybe I am missing something? 16:9 Listed under &Still Picture Recording& on this link: Like0 &and Nikon promising a comparable 'DL' model at some point& -DPRIn *April* a Nikon press release said &the new release date has yet to be determined and we will announce the information as soon as it is decided.& Nikon *still* haven't announced a release date for their DL line. Pathetic.Like0 Nikon will show off their DL at incoming CES again, but this time It may be the DL.MK2 per SONY (RX100's) release speed/schedule
- one upgrading version per year.Like1 The LX100 is by far the best camera of its kind. But the current sensor in it is not game anymore these days, just makes no sense. They should have a sensor in the league of the old Samsung NX and then, rule the enthusiast compact camera segment. An old generation 12MP sensor in a compact camera is laughable. Manufactures need a wake-up call that the small cameras market is dying against cell phones and they need to give EXTRA VALUE and a justification for people to go buy an extra gear just to take photos. 12MP sensors and higher are now found on just about ALL phones in the world and people don't go buy ANOTHER 12MP camera just because it has a larger M43 sensor inside and a 2x or 3x zoom. If the LX200 is to be successful, need to be with a major update: sensor+lens+for factor. But.. this is fantasy..if it gets 16/20MP + new lens will be a miracle & once again the point&shoot market will continue its slide. A few more years all these small cameras will be like camcorders.. all gone!Like7 The ONLY compact camera that truly has my attention is Nikon's DL18-50. VALUE = something that cellphones cannot do and only DSLRs with specialized expensive lens could offer. Finally a totally different point&shoot with wide capabilites unlike any other small camera ever made. UNFORTUNATELY, it's all vaporware. Nikon does everything in their power to go down faster than almost anyone else in the industry and the DL18-50 is just another car in that long train. Announced back in February, now, after several excuses and official delays, 10 months later is yet to be seen or released. It's all just laughable..Like9 Hmmm. Interesting comment. I have recently purchased the Leica 109 (LX100) and love it. I am quite happy with the 12mp of the Leica 109 as I am with the 5mp of my Leica Digilux 2 and Olympus E-1. Even with these I can do very nice A3 prints. I do not need even 12mp. But more megapixels the better is the perception of the &great unwashed& a lie perpetrated by the media. I just wonder where it will all end. Will we see 25mp, 30mp, 50mp in a compact! Asolutely ridiculous! But if the photo media can generate and perpetuate megapixel envy and the camera companies can flog it to you, then, they will.Like3 Regarding megapixel count I have one word for you:CROPPING!I dont know how you do your photo editing. If you instantly always compose your shots perfectly each time, kudos for you. &Unfortunately& I recompose many shot later & by the time I finish cropping I end up with a VGA size photo that is totally useless. A 100 or 200 Megapixel camera would actually be a bliss. It would allow me to edit & crop my material without the current low megapixel count limitation that ruins them by the time I finish editing. You can always re-size down if a smaller image is all you need you always can, but scaling up you cannot.And in fact if you are happy with your 5mp CCD of your 2004 Leica Digilux 2 (Actually a Panasonic LC-1), you dont need any new camera whatsover, not now, not ever. Because the massive shortcomings of a camera like your
Leica now-a-days, are not just its mere 5MP, but sensitivity, DR, color rendition, etc. that by today's standards cant compete even against most cellphones:)Like5 I hope the same for a next G1X.Like1 @ Nikonandmore, Yeah, I knew you were going to mention crapping. I was but could not be bothered. I don't crop. The odd straighten of sloping horizons yes, cropping no. But I do understand your need for it. It's just a thing I developed (no pun) from using film - get it right in camera. That's just my method and no slight whatsoever on those who, like yourself, find yourselves cropping extensively.I am very happy with my ancient Digilux. An amazing camera. I even shot a wedding with it earlier this year. In RAW. 6 seconds to write the file to card. I don't see that my Leica has any shortcomings at all. That is your mental limitation and not mine. The sensitivity of the Leica is ISO 100 only, the DR, metering and colour rendition is perfect.
I shot the bride in strong Sun and pulled back all the highlights, even impressed me. My main camera is the XPro-1 and even when I use my in-laws' Canon 5D MkIII and 5DSR I feel no need to perpetually chase after the wind and upgrade. No tar!Like0 My need for editing and cropping? I tell you:I recently
went to a team game at my best friend son's school where I took some truly amazing shots. I took my Sony RX1R that has a fixed 35mm lens because that was the only thing I had at hand at that moment. For most shots I could never get close enough to the action on the field. Later in post, I cropped and framed the shots as I would have wanted if my original equipment's focal distance would have allowed me. The result, some of the favorite photos I took this year, all down to less than 6-8MP which for me isn't good enough to produce clean larger format prints. Had I a much higher resolution body, I would not be stuck with this crippling limitation. Should you be interested to see some of those shots and what cropping can do, Ill happily post them here.And if you, never crop your photos, fabulous.. you are all set! Finally, sorry for my mental limitations as you put it. Surely you are right and I am totally wrong.Cheers.Like1 Stop saying bad things about Nikon -- they were once a great company.Like0 faterikcartman, look at my user name. Nikon is my favorite and most
used brand. If there is a long time dedicated Nikon fan, its me. I dont bash them. I do a reality check. The last great and innovative Nikon I bought was the D3x.. one of the best cameras I have ever owned and used, and still do.
No product after that has impressed me.. the horrible D800 I bought, the horrid D600 I had to trade for a D610 and also lenses that fall in the same disappointment category. And I dont want to mention a 1 J5 I bought for my girlfy fell apart 2 months later.. body AND kit lens. And the latest thing Ive eagerly awaited from the , the DL18-50, has been vaporware for 10 months. Sorry.. doesn't look good..Like1 The LX 100 has the same 16mp sensor found in a variety of Panasonic m43 camera's and presumably the Oly EM-1Unfortunately you can only use a 12mp ish equiv. crop. due to the lens restrictionsThis camera could definitely make good use of the latest 20mp m43 sensor.Like0 @Nikonandmore You're welcome!Like0 BarnET I'm sure the soon upcoming (I'm guessing soon) LX200 will have a 20MP or some sort of other upgraded sensor. But this multi-aspect ratio facet, versatile as it is, cripples too much resolution out of the sensor's native capabilities. I hope they find some other solution because without a higher megapixel count, this camera line makes less and less sense for its niche market. We will see..Like1 Nikonandmore -- it's no big deal that we all breeze through these comments pretty quick.
I shoot Nikon, but I have been dissappointed by their direction and how they do business for a few years.
Their recent layoffs suggest my criticism may be well founded.
Anyway, here's the joke: I didn't say stop saying bad things about Nikon, they're a great company.
I said they were once a great company.
Read correctly, I wasn't defending Nikon, I was insulting them and their recent operations.
I believe we're on the same page and there's no need to defend yourself.
Sorry if my joke was a little too subtle for the comments section.
I need emojis for this.Like0 FYI: This camera has the same sensor as the LX7 and a 19mm lensLike0 Problem is it's a casio,Good luck finding one in europe these days.Like0 I bought it in EuropeLike0 I had had 2 Panasonic Lumix cameras and would hesitate about buying another one. Both of my Panasonic had blown sensors after less than 2 years.
I had to always Photoshop out the black spots in images because of it.Like0 I tested all three cameras: Lumix LX10, Can G7Xii and Sony RX100 V, and although I agree with most in regards to its photo and macro ability, it has bad image stabilization for those also using it for video. The Sony RX100 V and Can G7X II trump the LX10 in this feature.Like3 Please don't mention Trump.Like0 I understand that we are now several years into the 1& sensor age and that cameras like this need to be picked apart for their flaws.
But this LX10 eats its peers for breakfast when it comes to close focus ability/macro.
I think dpreview does both the camera and its review integrity a disservice by not making a big deal out of that 3 cm minimum focus distance.
Couple the macro ability with the built-in focus stacking and the camera is in a class of its own.
I won't regale the camera's other abilities that prompted me to purchase it over the RX100 mark IV or V and the Canon G7X mark ii, but I am bemused that the G7X mark ii and the LX10 have the same 81% rating.Like3 The focus stacking is limited to 4K -& 8MP resolution if I read the manual correctly. Hence, it is kinda web use only.On the other hand, G7X II has built in ND, smaller form factor and longer (very useful) lens reach. Although lacking the EVF and 4K capability, I don't think it is surprising they got parity score.Of course, RX100 is still leading the class in terms of feature and capability and about sitting the bottom in terms of menu design.Like1 &The focus stacking is limited to 4K -& 8MP resolution if I read the manual correctly. Hence, it is kinda web use only.&My main cam is a Nikon D810 with various macro lenses and I've had many nature photos published (usually for money) in textbooks and other media back in the early 2000s that came from _2MP_ cameras like the Nikon Coolpix 950 (I still get publisher requests for some of those).
Don't poo-poo 8MP.
Even for JPGs, the auto-stacked images are remarkably good from the LX10, and there's always automatic focus bracketing for the full 20MP for manual stacking later.
Critically, I got a more pleasing stacked image from the LX10 yesterday in the field yesterday versus the 36MP D810 image shot of the same subject.&On the other hand, G7X II has built in ND, smaller form factor and longer (very useful) lens reach.&Great features highlighted in the review of that camera.
Can we point out a great feature (the close focus) of the LX10 to be fair?
Editorial review please?Like5 IMO Canon G7XII has the best lens in both specs and optical performance.
This particular sample of the Panasonic goes to mush on the right side of the frame.
And the 1.4 at 24mm equiv is mostly hype as it ramps up so quickly.
It's the Canon that seems to have the most extended focal range along with wider aperture equivalence.
Two things I like in a fixed camera...that the lens is really really good, and that it is not a dust magnet which is impossible to remedy without servicing.
That said if I *did* have to service it'd probably be Canon that is easiest (i.e. local drop off).Like1 While the long end of the Canon is definitely a major selling point. We also have to point out that the Canon has extremely poor corners between 24-35mm.This is simply due to te lens not covering the sensor. And software correction stretching is mandatory. In the end their ambitious specification has both advantages and disadvantages.Like1 &the camera is extremely reticent to use ISOs higher than 1600&As it should be. On 1& format, that's about the upper limit of what you'd normally want to use. In the special case that a photographer needs to stop motion in low light, shutter priority exposure should be used.Any &auto& feature in a camera must be like this: prioritize the needs of the many above the needs of the few. Unless the camera can detect a fast moving subject and adjust dynamically, autoISO in program auto or aperture priority should try to keep noise as low as possible to the limit of avoiding camera shake.Like3 The problem with shutter priority is that even with a small sensor and dull light it's still sometimes necessary to stop down for depth of field. It's a shame that this camera doesn't offer a minimum shutter speed option that could be used in aperture priority with auto-ISO. That would let people prioritise shutter speed over low ISO without the limitations of shutter priority.Or alternatively, they could finally implement auto-ISO in manual with exposure compensation, so that both aperture and shutter can be controlled while the auto-ISO deals with image brightness. People have been asking Panasonic for that for years now...Like0 This is solved most elegantly by offering a &sensitivity priority& mode separate from manual exposure.Though I can sympathize with both sides of the argument, I agree with Panasonic's purist definition of manual exposure as manual exposure and of disabling EV comp there. Their mistake was in not also disabling autoISO. Once you let autoISO in the door you've basically agreed to combine sensitivity priority mode with your manual exposure mode ... at which point you may as well give in and allow EV comp too.Like1 Derp. Not &sensitivity priority& - that's the opposite of what I meant! It's called TAv mode on Pentax: auto ISO with shutter speed and aperture control, so exactly M + autoISO, but with EV adjust enabled because it's not even pretending to be M mode anymore, leaving M mode full manual as it should be.Like1 Manual mode has never been purely manual on any Panasonic camera as all of them support TTL flash in manual mode. Connect an automatic flash in manual and it'll adjust flash power to set exposure by the camera's meter.I always find it strange that &manual is manual& purists never seem to complain about that flash automation feature being available in manual. To be consistent, shouldn't you be calling for Panasonic to remove the TTL flash options and force it into manual power settings when using M mode? Surely if auto-ISO in M should have it's own separate mode, TTL flash in manual should have a &flash priority mode& too?To me it just seems absurd to create separate modes purely because of issues with the terminology used, especially if it isn't going to be applied consistently anyway.If you want to be really pedantic, ISO isn't technically an exposure setting anyway. It just changes the brightness of the image, while flash/SS/aperture actually change the exposure.Like0 That's a good point about TTL flash. I'm not trying to be pedantic by the way, just interested in what the most intuitive implementation should be.My gripe, if I have one, is that if a user expects the camera to take care of the exposure automatically when in &manual mode& ... the feature is at the very least miss-named. I realize that TTL flash exposes the inconsistency of this thinking, but TTL + manual is one of those oddball combos that I don't run very often if ever in practice. To be honest autoISO + manual goes in a similar box. If I am in a situation where I am carefully adjusting both aperture and shutter speed, then I also have time to set the ISO manually.So on balance I'd be happy with a M mode that switches to manual ISO automatically, and a TAv mode that leaves autoISO and EV comp active.Like0 As I mentioned, it isn't really misnamed as technically ISO isn't an exposure setting - manual mode still provides full control over exposure even with auto-ISO on. Of course that does mean exposure compensation is misnamed when it's only adjusting the ISO...Pentax aside, I think most camera makers at the moment simply provide the option of auto-ISO in M. I don't see it causing much confusion among current Fuji/Sony/Nikon/Canon users.Manual + auto-ISO is easily my favourite mode because of its unique combination of control and speed. On a twin dial camera aperture/shutter speed can be quickly adjusted, while changing ISO is generally slower, without a dedicated control.That can make a big difference when shooting wildlife/BiF in changeable lighting, or indoor events where subjects/situations are different from moment to moment (e.g. taking a shallow DOF portrait one second and a wide crowd shot the next). Pausing to pointlessly micromanage ISO between shots can mean missed shots.Like0 How does it compare with a Fuji X30?
I know it has a bigger sensor, but it sounds as though the X30 has it beat for handling, and has a good EVF.
X30 does not appear as an option to compare it with.
tomLike0 The X30 competes more directly with the LX100, but I don't think it comes away from that comparison very favourably...Like0 Not a perfect camera, but for my particular needs it's better than the Sony or Canon and I'll pick one up to replace my LX7 as my pocketable anywhere camera.Like1 the best i have seen yet in small cameras are the LX100s, 12mp M43 has lower noise despite its age, gives you close to 24mm in 4k shooting, has a viewfinder, no heat issue in 4k, long battery life, more control/function buttons and solid build...wish it was smallerLike5 That 12MP old generation sensor is not acceptable these days anymore. My Nexus 6 cell phone with Almalence SuperSensor technology app can take noise-free 52MP stills. Point and shoot manufactures need all to get a grip and offer features we can find on cell phones, go make cell phones, or quit the business.Like2 just lower per-pixel noiseLike0 Yes certainly much lower per-pixel noise of course, but that's that's not the point. The point is that is not enough to compel people to go but an extra pocket size camera, a market that dying and shrinking at warp speed . 99% of all photos are taken during daylight, 99% are viewed on VGA size dimensions on computer displays and phones (where you can't see any noise) and for the rest 99% of the situations you can easily edit the noisy photo and apply extra noise reduction as needed.I have an LX100 and the truth is I never use it anymore. Why? Because my iPhone 7 also has 12MP,most of my photos are randomly taken during the day and under proper lightinh conditions they re totally noise free. Yes I don't have zoom but that's about it. So, why carry the LX100?Like3 The only other point & shoot I'd ever consider buying would be the wanna-be Nikon DL18-50 that is truly different as the only pocketable ultra wide zoom ever made. UNFORTUNATELY, it was &never& actually made. It's only vaporware because Nikon announced it back in February and 10 months later is yet to be seen. Now, I don't even want it anymore. I don't want anything that's Nikon. Totally over them.. this said from someone that only bought Nikon all his life till recently. Nikon is a dead brand for me.. innovation zero, recalls endless and sales timinig non-existing..Like0 FYI: This camera has the same sensor as the LX7 and a 19mm lensLike0 Funny thing,..if one does compare the LX100 with the LX10/15 into the Compare-o-Meter, the LX10/15 scores a bit better into the Lens department...and the LX100 Lens is better...and the latter Lens is just a tad faster (F1.4 instead of F1.7 onto the LX100, but the LX100 does have the bigger, mFT Sensor, so it's ~equal...i'd say...even into Fall 2015, last year...the LX100 was being sold into a flashsale for just 499 EUR...i should have taken it....never a 1& or any kind of premium compact without a EVF..but that's just my need...others may be different. ;-)Like0 Doesn't look like this is a major upgrade to the LX100 in terms of video?I've had a LX100 on hand for a bit now, and it's been pretty joyous for flicking around on rails and producing some amateur video as long as it's not extremely low light.Like0 IQ, 2 stops worse than the Sony , and unlike the LX5-7 no EVF option. Expensive and
disappointing.Like5 It's the same sensor....Like2 Yes, you are quite right ,I had forgotten this. Actually I always tend to look at the sponge/brush in the lower R hand field ,there appears to be an issue with the lens as the equivalent L upper field(as you face the monitor) is as good as the Sony. It begs the question whether one should worry about the absolute quality of the sensor if the lens quality is so variable from one camera to another.Like0 Does anyone seriously use an EVF on such a small device? Doesn't make sense.Like0 Oh well, another camera I won't buy.Like6 &Hmmm.... Focus Stacking... chomp, chomp... *burp*& - Homer Simpson..Like2 f/1.4 wide end, aperture ring, great 4K and a vlog-friendly LCD makes this an appealing choice.
The problem is the real-world price is currently higher than the LX100 in the US.Like3 No lens performance test?Like1 I am sure this camera will be just the ticket for some shooter. However, not me. No EVF and a very short zoom range for $700. Not what I am a looking for.GregLike4 Where's the Leica red dot version? ?Like1 Need to write marketing superlatives first.Like0 Better than Sony RX100M5 is the million dollar question?Like0 No. That's the $300 cheaper answer.
Like13 if I'm not wrong, the G7X mkII is able to take 1080 60P clips. Not limited to 30P like in your comparative table.Like1 Quite right. I'll fix that immediately.
Like3 I hope Panasonic read the review and try to fix the problems, maybe on next models. and I believe next models will get Gold awardLike0 Panasonic prominently puts &24-72& on the lens barrel. Such nerve! Where is the Equivalence Police, with their usual shrieking & frothing?Like2 Do some camera makers put equivalence markings on their lens? I,ve never seen any!Like0 @Chuckmet,Did you ever own a camera ? ;-)My old Kodak P880 and Konica-Minolta Dimage A1, and my not so old FujiFilm X30 display equivalent focal length on the zoom ring...Like0
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